Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
chemin de lisse
English translation:
wooden track
Added to glossary by
Charles Davis
Feb 16, 2016 10:53
8 yrs ago
French term
chemin de lisse
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Archaeology
Description of the construction technique known as \'rammed earth\'.
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Context:
La vieille enceinte de briques crues sera utilisée dans le dispositif défensif ayyoubide comme un second rempart et marquera une sorte de chemin de lisse, qui deviendra le bayn al-surain de Maqrizi.
I have found this reference, but not sure if it is appropriate:
http://digitalcommons.buffalostate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...
on the third page of the scan.
a sort of wooden track line??
Context:
La vieille enceinte de briques crues sera utilisée dans le dispositif défensif ayyoubide comme un second rempart et marquera une sorte de chemin de lisse, qui deviendra le bayn al-surain de Maqrizi.
I have found this reference, but not sure if it is appropriate:
http://digitalcommons.buffalostate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...
on the third page of the scan.
a sort of wooden track line??
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | wooden track |
Charles Davis
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| 3 | plank way |
Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche
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| 3 | slipway |
Charles Davis
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Feb 17, 2016 19:40: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
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wooden track
A second answer, since "wooden track" does seem to be the most accurate and safest answer all round. I'll leave my first attempt for the sake of the references. We can't tell (without further information) what sort of track this was, which is why a general descriptive term seems most suitable, but "lisse" certainly does seem to imply wood.
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plank way
not an expert but sounds ok..
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slipway
The little I can find on this basically supports the source you've quoted, but maybe a more general word like the one I've suggested might serve, since I'm not sure that it necessary has to be a wooden track.
In this reference, about a mine, it explicitly says it's a wooden track, as in your source:
"Dans les années qui suivirent la faillite de la compagnie, on construisit à partir de 1876 un chemin de lisse (chemin de fer en bois de 36" de large) entre les hauts-fourneaux et Baie-St-Paul afin de transporter le minerai."
http://www.parcgeocharlevoix.org/#!site-21-ilmenite-urbain/c...
And this, which is about quarrying marble, and suggests something similar, though it doesn't actually say it's made of wood:
"Il y subsiste un rare et superbe chemin de lisse, réalisé alors pour descendre les blocs en traineaux."
https://crcv.revues.org/13622
There are references in English to slipways in relation to ancient quarrying and construction, as for example here:
https://books.google.es/books?id=6jZEAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA497&lpg=P...
So I would tentatively propose that.
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Hi Hazel. Although "slipway" commonly means a track for boats to reach water, it doesn't have to lead to water; it also means a track for bringing blocks of stone down in a quarry, leading to a construction site. See here, for example, about ancient Egypt:
"Figure 18. Slipway roads. Top: 18 m-wide slipway (quarry road) in the silicified sandstone quarry on Gebel Gulab (H5, New Kingdom) with another slipway from elsewhere in the same quarry (insert)."
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/faculty/harrell/egypt/Harr...
That's what I really meant. "Chemin de lisse" does seem to be a term associated with quarries:
"le chemin de lisse et les plateformes de stockage de la carrière d'Uchentein"
http://www.parc-pyrenees-ariegeoises.fr/IMG/article_PDF/Les-...
However, given that "lisse" seems to mean specifically wood, I think perhaps wooden track would be your best bet; several of the references seem to point in that direction.
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OK, Hazel, I'll do that. Thanks!
In this reference, about a mine, it explicitly says it's a wooden track, as in your source:
"Dans les années qui suivirent la faillite de la compagnie, on construisit à partir de 1876 un chemin de lisse (chemin de fer en bois de 36" de large) entre les hauts-fourneaux et Baie-St-Paul afin de transporter le minerai."
http://www.parcgeocharlevoix.org/#!site-21-ilmenite-urbain/c...
And this, which is about quarrying marble, and suggests something similar, though it doesn't actually say it's made of wood:
"Il y subsiste un rare et superbe chemin de lisse, réalisé alors pour descendre les blocs en traineaux."
https://crcv.revues.org/13622
There are references in English to slipways in relation to ancient quarrying and construction, as for example here:
https://books.google.es/books?id=6jZEAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA497&lpg=P...
So I would tentatively propose that.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2016-02-16 18:34:44 GMT)
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Hi Hazel. Although "slipway" commonly means a track for boats to reach water, it doesn't have to lead to water; it also means a track for bringing blocks of stone down in a quarry, leading to a construction site. See here, for example, about ancient Egypt:
"Figure 18. Slipway roads. Top: 18 m-wide slipway (quarry road) in the silicified sandstone quarry on Gebel Gulab (H5, New Kingdom) with another slipway from elsewhere in the same quarry (insert)."
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/faculty/harrell/egypt/Harr...
That's what I really meant. "Chemin de lisse" does seem to be a term associated with quarries:
"le chemin de lisse et les plateformes de stockage de la carrière d'Uchentein"
http://www.parc-pyrenees-ariegeoises.fr/IMG/article_PDF/Les-...
However, given that "lisse" seems to mean specifically wood, I think perhaps wooden track would be your best bet; several of the references seem to point in that direction.
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OK, Hazel, I'll do that. Thanks!
Note from asker:
| Dear Charles, I am not sure I can use slipway as there is no indication of this track leading to water. I did find a definition of lisse here: http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/lisse//2 Pièce de bois (ou de béton) assemblée horizontalement sur des poteaux servant de main courante dans un garde-fou ou servant à former une barrière. [Les barrières en menuiserie] sont formées en général de poteaux supportant des lisses en bois Could it be a sort of post and rail track as the context suggests that it is used as a second rampart. Just a thought!!! |
| Charles, if you could post 'wooden track' as an answer, I can then award the points for that. It seems the most suitable. Many thanks, once again. |
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or plank ways