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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

philosophie laïque rationnelle progressiste

English translation:

Secular rationalist and progressive philosophy

Added to glossary by Anna Maria Augustine (X)
Mar 6, 2005 01:28
19 yrs ago
French term

philosophie laïque rationnelle progressiste

French to English Other Philosophy ethics
Any officially used preference in UK English?
From an ethical point of view.

Thank you!
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 Non-religious/Secular rational and progressive philosophy
5 +1 progressive, secular rationalist, philosophy
3 +1 progressive rational lay philosophy
4 Further explanation, NFG.
3 progressive and rationalistic secular philosophy

Discussion

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) Mar 7, 2005:
Anyway, in terms of philosophical schools the main difference is USA empiricsm and Europe rationalism. I am sure your writer will agree, which is why I would put the word rationalist next to the word philosphy.
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) Mar 7, 2005:
So, just to remake my point. I wasn't saying words don't matter. i was saying that in this discourse, there is no vocabulary difference whether you are at Harvard, Princeton or Yale or Cambridge, Oxford or Durham University,for example.
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) Mar 7, 2005:
So, the French are rationalists and the Brits and Americans tend, I say tend, to be empiricists. That;s why I said philosopy of reason, to make that distinction. But cheers anyway...
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) Mar 7, 2005:
You know Bono it so happens I have translated a lot of philosopy texts and happen to know this field. It is true that in terms of your terms, they do not all have equal weight and the main distinction is rationalist/empirical.empiricism versus rationalism
Anna Maria Augustine (X) Mar 7, 2005:
Thank you! I worked hard on this one. I guess, with your reference to India you know of The Jewel in the Crown...
Hope you had a good rest on your pillow-sophy. I should be on my pillow too - it's gone 4am in Paris.

Proposed translations

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1 hr
French term (edited): philosophie la�que rationnelle progressiste
Selected

Non-religious/Secular rational and progressive philosophy

or something along those lines....

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Note added at 1 hr 51 mins (2005-03-06 03:19:57 GMT)
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It\'s humanism! I was going to put metaphysics but that is humanism from an ethical point of view - look up the humanists from the renaissance maybe.

IHS :: What Is Humanism? (The Humanist Philosophy)
... Do you think of yourself as non-religious? ... Humanism is a progressive philosophy of
life that, without ... by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis. ...
humaniststudies.org/humphil.html - Similar pages

Transhumanism: A Futurist Philosophy
... A eupraxophy, a non-religious philosophy of life, plays ... habitation, combined with
a rational philosophy and value ... entropic and anti-progressive since religious ...
www.maxmore.com/transhum.htm - Similar pages

WoodMoor Village Zendo: Humanism and its Aspirations
... Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms
our ... world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis ...
www.woodmoorvillage.org/2004/12/humanism_and_it.html - Similar pages

COHE :: Introduction to Humanism :: Lesson 2
... Some lifestances are generally viewed as non-religious, such as the ... be open to free
inquiry and rational criticism ... \"Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life ...
humanisteducation.com/class.html?module_id=1&page=2 - Similar pages

Peer comment(s):
agree Richard Benham : I would go with "secular".
2 hrs
Thanks, you down there in OZ. I'm the Aus up here in France
agree Sandra C.
13 hrs
Many thanks
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you everyone! After some more research, I think Anna's suggestion (with a slight change) is best, having come up with a couple of hits on this including one about how England viewed India's less crown of England philosophy at the time. I am aware that usually England and the United States would agree on philosophy and the variations in wording would not matter much, but to the man writing on the choice of words showing a different line of thinking and the main difference in attitude between Europe and the USA, it would matter a lot! As well as this, it is used to describe a trend and change in attitude which only Europe felt at the time, at least to such an extend and for such a reason. Thank you nonetheless Jane! Thank you df. And thank you Richard for reminding us about lay and secular . And so I will finish by thanking Charlie for making me smile and go down and lay (could there be a pun in here somewhere? ) my head on the pillow now. "
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13 mins
French term (edited): philosophie la�que rationnelle progressiste

progressive rational lay philosophy

Off the top of my head. I haven't googled it :-)

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Note added at 35 mins (2005-03-06 02:03:50 GMT)
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Hmm, no hits. There again, neither did the orginal French...
Peer comment(s):
agree Richard Benham : I think "lay" is a bit of a faux ami here. I'd go for "secular".
2 hrs
now I've had some sleep, so would I :-)
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French term (edited): philosophie la�que rationnelle progressiste

Further explanation, NFG.

There was not enough space in my comment on Charlie's answer to include the below, so here it is:

One of the definitions of "laïque" in the Petit Larousse is:
"Qui est étranger à la réligion, au sentiment réligieux."

I would submit that this is the sense intended, and that it is expressed in English by the word "secular".
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11 hrs
French term (edited): philosophie la�que rationnelle progressiste

progressive and rationalistic secular philosophy

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12 hrs
French term (edited): philosophie la�que rationnelle progressiste

progressive, secular rationalist, philosophy

rationalist philosophy as in Descartes, this is the proper term..not anything else..you can also say; philosophy of reason

alternative answer: progressive, secular philosophy of reason

1) either you give the same weight to all the adjectives and put all three in
2) or use progressive, secular philosopy of reason...
3) rationalist philosophy is the "school" being referred to here, as it were

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Note added at 12 hrs 49 mins (2005-03-06 14:18:15 GMT)
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My reference is that I just know this from having frequented this discourse in my specialty translation area.

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Note added at 12 hrs 50 mins (2005-03-06 14:18:52 GMT)
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correx to my first answer: progressive, secular and rationalist philosophy.......

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Note added at 12 hrs 50 mins (2005-03-06 14:19:27 GMT)
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secular in the sense of non-religous...

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Note added at 12 hrs 51 mins (2005-03-06 14:20:28 GMT)
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Final:
1) progressive, secular and rationalist philosophy
2) progressive, secular philosophy of reason

I think one really has to use \"and\" correctly in English here.

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Note added at 14 hrs 3 mins (2005-03-06 15:32:23 GMT)
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Again, Bono...UK and US English would never differ in this type of text.....it\'s a continuity....differences between the two languages would only relate, if at all, in this type of context - which I presume is academic or quasi-academic, to Spelling.
Peer comment(s):
agree Carolingua : yes "progressive, secular and rationalist philosophy". This sounds more natural than "philosphy of reason".
6 hrs
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