Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

aller à la faute

English translation:

leave the track, or road

Added to glossary by Carol Gullidge
Sep 24, 2008 10:21
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French term

aller à la faute

French to English Other Idioms / Maxims / Sayings motor-car rallies
This obviously means that Simone has made a mistake of some sort (gone off the track? Committed a foul?) during this Le Mans rally. But what exactly has she done?

Sorry, not much context here, as these are the photo captions, but the expression seems to be widely (and exclusively?) used in sites related to rallies, where the misdemeanour/mistake has landed the competitor in trouble...

I'd be very grateful if anyone can tell me specifically what this means. Many thanks!

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Les femmes au Mans 1951. Mme Simon et Betty Haig sur leur Ferrari. Yvonne Simon ****___ ira à la faute ___**** et ensablera leur voiture un long moment.

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Discussion

Carol Gullidge (asker) Sep 29, 2008:
Non pro Once again, Writeaway, it would be more constructive if you were to SHARE your wisdom with the rest of us BEFORE downgrading the question. This could take the form of posting an agree or a disagree, preferably with an explanation, if you don't feel able to post an answer of your own. Many thanks
Carol Gullidge (asker) Sep 24, 2008:
"foul" Hi Ingeborg: I know they can have penalties, but in this case, the girl had to dig herself out of the sand (there's a nice cartoon a few pages on...!) No mention of disqualification, or otherwise
Ingeborg Gowans (X) Sep 24, 2008:
is there something like a "foul" in car racing?
Otherwise I would say she got into trouble. possibly disqualified?
Carol Gullidge (asker) Sep 24, 2008:
Simone Sorry, that should read "Yvonne", of course! Yvonne's mistake led to them being stuck in the sand...

Proposed translations

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leave the track, or road

There are various possible translations in English for what is more commonly referred to in French as "partir à la faute"

Basically, it's to crash out, but not necessarily hitting anything - so sometimes you are able to rejoin the track and continue. In rallying, though, there's often such an uneven surface off the track that re-joining is impossible - something breaks.

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Boy killed watching motor rally - This Britain, UK - The Independent
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The accident happened when a Vauxhall Nova left the road during a rally at Bennets ... part in the annual Apex Cheviot Motor Rally, veered out of control. ...
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/boy-killed-watch...

ABC Sport - Motor Sport - Bana crashes car in Targa rally
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Hollywood actor Eric Bana has crashed his car in the Targa Tasmania motor rally on Saturday The star of Chopper and Munich left the road on the long winding ...
www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200704/s1903332.htm

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And similar write-ups in French:

WRC - Japon, étape 1 : Grönholm à la faute, Loeb 2ème
27 oct 2007 ... Le leader provisoire du Championnat Pilotes Marcus Grönholm (Ford/BFGoodrich) est parti à la faute au cours de la première étape du Rallye ...
www.pitstop.com.fr/ads/art_f1.php3?id_article=11043

eBay.com.my: RALLYE D’IRLANDE RALLYE DE GRANDE BRETAGNE (item ...
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Après le match nul du japon, où MARCUS GRONHOLM et SEABASTIEN LOEB sont allé à la faute de manière éliminatoire, le deux prétendant du titre 2007 se ...
cgi.ebay.com.my/RALLYE-D-IRLANDE-RALLYE-DE-GRANDE-BRETAGNE_...
Note from asker:
Many thanks Sheila! The links I found do seem to suggest that this can be a "recoverable" error, which fits in with your suggestion.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Colin Rowe : *sont allé* ... *le deux prétendant* ... Your English references certainly sound more convincing than your French ones!
22 mins
Is that the only reason for the 'neutral' - do you agree otherwise?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks Sheila! This fits perfectly - very similar to Colin's response, but, all other things being equal, you were first!"
42 mins

to make a driving mistake

to make a driving mistake such as bumping into another car or making any other blunder.
Note from asker:
many thanks mohan for the helpful link! I'd tried Wordreference, but with "aller...", which showed nothing... I'm still hoping to find out more specifically what sort of a "mistake" this is
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1 hr

go off [into the sand]

Another option...

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"6 tours avant l'accident fatal de Greg Moore, l'Américain Richie Hearn était allé à la faute au même endroit dans des conditions similaire. (voir photo en bas)"
http://www.formuleusa.com/viewtopic.php?id=159

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"Ce matin, vers 8 h 30, la Peugeot n°8 a, pilotée part Pedro Lamy, est parti en tête à queue. Le pilote portugais *est allé à la faute* à la sortie du virage d'Arnage, mais il a pu repartir sans marquer d'arrêt supplémentaire à son stand. La piste est toujours humide. "
http://www.ouest-france.fr/24-Heures-du-Mans-Audi-en-tete-a-...


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The example from "ouest-france.fr" refers to racing at Le Mans. In this specific case, the error was clearly a recoverable one, as the driver was able to continue driving.

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"Schumacher mate Hakkinen, mais pas les démons de Silverstone! ... Quant à Johnny Herbert, il était allé à la faute alors qu'il tentait de résister à Alesi ..."
http://archives.tdg.ch/TG/TG/-/article-1998-07-991/schumache...

Judging by the g-hits, the phrase "aller à la faute" seems to be equally applicable to numerous forms of motor racing (Formula 1, Nascar, motocross, ..., even mountain biking!"
Example sentence:

But Mansell *went off into the sand* chasing the Brazilian on lap 10, and Aryton Senna had clinched his 3rd Formula One championship in four years.

Then on lap 68, Schumacher *went off the track* as he went wide onto the grass.

Note from asker:
Many thanks Colin! I take this as an "agree" with Sheila's, with added (and helpful!) links answer
err, that word "answer" seems to have got mislaid - but I expect you worked that out already!
Peer comment(s):

agree Charles Hawtrey (X) : Often there is a sort of sandpit extension to the track on tight corners to stop cars that run too straight, after brake failure or too much enthusiasm. As did Mansell. Also found on steep hills on roads to stop trucks with brake failure.
3 hrs
Thanks, Charles! Just like boys, aren't they? Playing with cars and in sandpits!
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