Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Mar 18, 2006 14:29
18 yrs ago
French term
flammes nues
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Aerospace / Aviation / Space
Material Safety Data Sheet
"Tenir à l'abri des sources de chaleur, des flammes nues et des sources d'ignition."
Naked flames???
Naked flames???
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +1 | open flame(s) |
MDI-IDM
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| 4 +13 | naked flames |
suezen
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| 4 | naked lights |
Bourth (X)
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Proposed translations
+1
2 hrs
Selected
open flame(s)
Please follow the links below: over 900,000 Google results for "open flame" (or flames) versus 107,000 for "naked flame"; 327,000 results for "open flame" +keep +away, many of them MSDSs, some examples:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="open flame" keep a...
NEEMIX 4.5 EC
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Keep away from heat, sparks, or open flame. Signal Word: WARNING. Potential Health Effects. ROUTE(S) OF ENTRY: Eyes, skin, oral, inhalation ...
www.greenbook.net/Library/ShowDoc.asp?IndexName=M45483.PDF&... -
Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame. Do not puncture or incinerate container. Exposure to temperatures above 130 [deg]F may cause bursting. ...
a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/40cfr156.78.htm
Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame. Do not puncture or incinerate container. Exposure to temperatures above 130 °F may cause bursting. ...
www.setonresourcecenter.com/cfr/40CFR/P156_011.HTM
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
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Protect from any ignition source (keep away from heat, fire sparks or flame). Make sure there is adequate ... Oxidizers, Heat, Sparks, Open flame. ...
www.gfs.com/content_us/msds/files/174850.pdf
SECTION VI- REACTIVITY. STABILITY Stable, CONDITIONS TO AVOID Keep away from heat, sparks, open flame and other sources of ignition. ...
www.compotite.com/cement.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="open flame" keep a...
NEEMIX 4.5 EC
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Keep away from heat, sparks, or open flame. Signal Word: WARNING. Potential Health Effects. ROUTE(S) OF ENTRY: Eyes, skin, oral, inhalation ...
www.greenbook.net/Library/ShowDoc.asp?IndexName=M45483.PDF&... -
Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame. Do not puncture or incinerate container. Exposure to temperatures above 130 [deg]F may cause bursting. ...
a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/40cfr156.78.htm
Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame. Do not puncture or incinerate container. Exposure to temperatures above 130 °F may cause bursting. ...
www.setonresourcecenter.com/cfr/40CFR/P156_011.HTM
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Protect from any ignition source (keep away from heat, fire sparks or flame). Make sure there is adequate ... Oxidizers, Heat, Sparks, Open flame. ...
www.gfs.com/content_us/msds/files/174850.pdf
SECTION VI- REACTIVITY. STABILITY Stable, CONDITIONS TO AVOID Keep away from heat, sparks, open flame and other sources of ignition. ...
www.compotite.com/cement.html
Reference:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22open+flame%22&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22naked+flame%22&btnG=Search
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Angela Dickson (X)
: I prefer 'naked flame' which sounds more natural to me
1 hr
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| disagree |
Claire Loveridge
: open flame just doesn't sound right
1 hr
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| agree |
Marc Adler
: This is the correct English term.
2 hrs
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Thank you!
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| agree |
Gina W
: don't know why there would be a disagree with the comment that this just doesn't sound right as it sounds right to me
2 hrs
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Thank you!
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| neutral |
writeaway
: don't agree with using google numbers to 'sell' an answer. let the refs speak for themselves. and fwiw,why put a disagree under a fellow answerer,saying that answer is right but yours is so much better? not a great habit to get into.
2 days 16 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all, but you're right. "Open flames" is more common."
+13
3 mins
naked flames
yes
Forbid anyone from approaching with a naked flame within the safety cordon. ... Take all necessary measures to eliminate any naked flames within the safety ...
www.mem-algeria.org/pr_ditrib/secu_gpl.htm - 51k
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Ventilate the area and extinguish all naked flames. ... Do not spray on naked flames. SECTION 9 PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES. Appearance and odour ...
www.bocedwards.com/pdf/P110_60_020-us.pdf
Forbid anyone from approaching with a naked flame within the safety cordon. ... Take all necessary measures to eliminate any naked flames within the safety ...
www.mem-algeria.org/pr_ditrib/secu_gpl.htm - 51k
Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Ventilate the area and extinguish all naked flames. ... Do not spray on naked flames. SECTION 9 PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES. Appearance and odour ...
www.bocedwards.com/pdf/P110_60_020-us.pdf
Peer comment(s):
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Jennifer Levey
0 min
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thanks
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| agree |
Kathryn Strachecky
15 mins
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thanks Kathryn
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| agree |
SusanMurray
16 mins
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thanks Susan
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| agree |
Alison Jenner
22 mins
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thanks Alison
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| agree |
Bianca Jacobsohn
30 mins
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thanks Bianca
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| agree |
LinguaDome
: a flame without a protecting glass in front or around it
1 hr
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Exactly. Thanks
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| agree |
Can Altinbay
1 hr
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thanks Can
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sporran
1 hr
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thanks Sporran
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| disagree |
MDI-IDM
: Sorry! I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there is another, more frequently used term - please see my answer.
2 hrs
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no problem :-) Just curious to know why. Disagree means it's wrong. Neutral means you prefer another option :-)
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Angela Dickson (X)
3 hrs
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thanks Angela
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| agree |
Claire Loveridge
: we would definately say naked flame in English imho
4 hrs
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thanks Clover
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| neutral |
Marc Adler
: This might be a US/UK thing, but "open flame" is far more common in the US.
4 hrs
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probably. We definitely go for naked in the UK! Culture no doubt... !-)
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Gina W
: you are correct in stating that a "disagree" should only be posted when an answer is actually wrong, which this one is not
5 hrs
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thanks again. It's definitely naked flame in UK English
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Julie Barber
: naked
6 hrs
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thanks
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| agree |
ACOZ (X)
6 hrs
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merci ACOZ
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writeaway
: once again, peer agrees count 'pour du beurre'. fully agree that the disagree has been very misused here. a pity if Kudozing starts to go in that direction
2 days 19 hrs
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34 mins
naked lights
Covers things like sparks (lighter with no gas).
Naked light A candle or any form of light that is not a safety lamp. Nut coal Small coal that will pass through screens ...
www.coalking.ca/glossary.html
Mining. A naked light. Not a safety light. (references). Source: compiled by the editor from various references; see credits. Top. ...
www.websters-online-dictionary.org/ definition/english/OP%5COPEN+LIGHT.html
On its outside. there shall be a symbol saying “No naked lights or fires and no smoking” in ...
www.unece.org/trans/doc/ 2004/sc3/TRANS-SC3-2004-01c2e.pdf
Petroleum mixture Highly flammable / No smoking No naked lights Multi-purpose sign ... Flammable vapour / No smoking no naked lights Multi-purpose sign ...
www.signgallery.co.uk/products1.cfm?CategoryID=19866
Forklift trucks lifting flammable liquids should be explosion proof ... Do not smoke, weld, or use naked lights. ii. Work permit procedures must be followed ...
www.cepe.org/doc/easnet.dll/ GetDoc?APPL=2&DAT_IM=020146&TYPE=PDF
Flammable/No Smoking or Naked Lights’. •. A bucket of sand must be kept in the vicinity of the storage. cupboard. In the event of a spillage, ...
www.eca.ac.uk/foi/files/fireproc.pdf
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence
Quite unrelated to "hlommes nus".
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2006-03-20 16:32:33 GMT)
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Ultimate it will matter very little what you actually put since the last element in the series (sources de chaleur, des flammes nues et des sources d'ignition) will cover anything.
My interpretation is that:
- "sources de chaleur' refers, quite obviously, to heat sources, which could be, for example, a hot exhaust pipe,
- "flammes nues" refers to "flame phenomena", including sparks produced by a match or a lighter, say. I think the expression "naked light" comes from mining days, and has stuck with us. I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "naked/nues", but I have a strong suspicion the word is in fact meaningless in the meaning attributed to the expression these days - I for one wouldn't want someone wandering about in an explosive environment holding a hurricane lamp (i.e. a flame inside an open-topped glass cylinder), even if technically speaking the flame is not naked/open
- "sources d'ignition" refers specifically to things like live electrical circuits, motors, and mobile phones which could cause a spark. But of course both "sources de chaleur" and "flammes nues" would be "sources d'ignition" when the balloon goes up!
Naked light A candle or any form of light that is not a safety lamp. Nut coal Small coal that will pass through screens ...
www.coalking.ca/glossary.html
Mining. A naked light. Not a safety light. (references). Source: compiled by the editor from various references; see credits. Top. ...
www.websters-online-dictionary.org/ definition/english/OP%5COPEN+LIGHT.html
On its outside. there shall be a symbol saying “No naked lights or fires and no smoking” in ...
www.unece.org/trans/doc/ 2004/sc3/TRANS-SC3-2004-01c2e.pdf
Petroleum mixture Highly flammable / No smoking No naked lights Multi-purpose sign ... Flammable vapour / No smoking no naked lights Multi-purpose sign ...
www.signgallery.co.uk/products1.cfm?CategoryID=19866
Forklift trucks lifting flammable liquids should be explosion proof ... Do not smoke, weld, or use naked lights. ii. Work permit procedures must be followed ...
www.cepe.org/doc/easnet.dll/ GetDoc?APPL=2&DAT_IM=020146&TYPE=PDF
Flammable/No Smoking or Naked Lights’. •. A bucket of sand must be kept in the vicinity of the storage. cupboard. In the event of a spillage, ...
www.eca.ac.uk/foi/files/fireproc.pdf
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence
Quite unrelated to "hlommes nus".
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2006-03-20 16:32:33 GMT)
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Ultimate it will matter very little what you actually put since the last element in the series (sources de chaleur, des flammes nues et des sources d'ignition) will cover anything.
My interpretation is that:
- "sources de chaleur' refers, quite obviously, to heat sources, which could be, for example, a hot exhaust pipe,
- "flammes nues" refers to "flame phenomena", including sparks produced by a match or a lighter, say. I think the expression "naked light" comes from mining days, and has stuck with us. I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "naked/nues", but I have a strong suspicion the word is in fact meaningless in the meaning attributed to the expression these days - I for one wouldn't want someone wandering about in an explosive environment holding a hurricane lamp (i.e. a flame inside an open-topped glass cylinder), even if technically speaking the flame is not naked/open
- "sources d'ignition" refers specifically to things like live electrical circuits, motors, and mobile phones which could cause a spark. But of course both "sources de chaleur" and "flammes nues" would be "sources d'ignition" when the balloon goes up!
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