Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
Writing is named by the involuntary sound in the throat caused by the bodily effort required to do it.
English answer:
I would say writing is the graphic representation (both written/paper and the act of writing)
Added to glossary by
Carmen Schultz
Sep 13, 2005 09:02
18 yrs ago
English term
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Writing is named by the involuntary sound in the throat caused by the bodily effort required to do it.
in paragraph:
Signum, gleubh-, gher-, gerebh-, gno- (the root of "narration")—is it only an accident that these words or roots not only "originally" mean the act of cutting, scratching, or pointing but express that act with a strangulated "guh," the throat's closure, plus some consonant? Writing is named by the involuntary sound in the throat caused by the bodily effort required to do it. This sound is primitive or inarticulate speech.
what does "writing" here mean - an effect of writing (written paper), an act of writing, or only a word "writing" (the tone of it)?
it - sound or writing?
thanks, KH
in paragraph:
Signum, gleubh-, gher-, gerebh-, gno- (the root of "narration")—is it only an accident that these words or roots not only "originally" mean the act of cutting, scratching, or pointing but express that act with a strangulated "guh," the throat's closure, plus some consonant? Writing is named by the involuntary sound in the throat caused by the bodily effort required to do it. This sound is primitive or inarticulate speech.
what does "writing" here mean - an effect of writing (written paper), an act of writing, or only a word "writing" (the tone of it)?
it - sound or writing?
thanks, KH
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Carmen Schultz
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I would say writing is the graphic representation (both written/paper and the act of writing)
Basing this on linguistic concepts
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Note added at 24 mins (2005-09-13 09:26:46 GMT)
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Grapheme
A grapheme designates the atomic unit in written language. Graphemes include letters, Chinese ideograms, numerals, punctuation marks, and other symbols.
In a phonological orthography a grapheme corresponds to one phoneme. In spelling systems that are non-phonemic - such as the spellings used most widely for written English - multiple graphemes may represent a single phonemes. These are called digraphs (two graphemes for a single phoneme) and trigraphs (three graphemes). For example, the word ship contains four graphemes (s, h, i, and p) but only three phonemes, because sh is a digraph. An example of a trigraph is the tch in itch.
Different glyphs can represent the same grapheme. For example, the minuscule letter a can be seen in two variants, with a hook at the top, and without. Not all glyphs are graphemes; for example the logogram ampersand (&) represents the word and, which contains three phonemes.
See also
Digraph
Trigraph
Allograph
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Note added at 1 day 15 hrs 45 mins (2005-09-15 00:48:03 GMT)
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graphophonemic representation and Saussure's theory of signs also help to explain this.
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Note added at 1 day 15 hrs 47 mins (2005-09-15 00:49:36 GMT)
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Graphophonemic Combined letter and sound representation. Graphophonemic cues refer to using combined letters and sounds to decode words.
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Note added at 24 mins (2005-09-13 09:26:46 GMT)
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Grapheme
A grapheme designates the atomic unit in written language. Graphemes include letters, Chinese ideograms, numerals, punctuation marks, and other symbols.
In a phonological orthography a grapheme corresponds to one phoneme. In spelling systems that are non-phonemic - such as the spellings used most widely for written English - multiple graphemes may represent a single phonemes. These are called digraphs (two graphemes for a single phoneme) and trigraphs (three graphemes). For example, the word ship contains four graphemes (s, h, i, and p) but only three phonemes, because sh is a digraph. An example of a trigraph is the tch in itch.
Different glyphs can represent the same grapheme. For example, the minuscule letter a can be seen in two variants, with a hook at the top, and without. Not all glyphs are graphemes; for example the logogram ampersand (&) represents the word and, which contains three phonemes.
See also
Digraph
Trigraph
Allograph
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Note added at 1 day 15 hrs 45 mins (2005-09-15 00:48:03 GMT)
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graphophonemic representation and Saussure's theory of signs also help to explain this.
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Note added at 1 day 15 hrs 47 mins (2005-09-15 00:49:36 GMT)
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Graphophonemic Combined letter and sound representation. Graphophonemic cues refer to using combined letters and sounds to decode words.
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Comment: "thx"
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Harry Borsje
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English term (edited):
'writing'
the act of carving symbols into stone(!)
the sound made by one who is physically carving away in the stone
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Richard Benham
France
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Works in: German to English, French to English, English
It's rubbish.
First of all let me, having just returned from a philosophy conference, point out that this is not philosophy. At best it is very bad philology.
I suspect that the author is trying to say that the word "writing" (or, more accurately "write") is derived by onomatopoeia from the noise allegedly made by people from the effort of, as Harry suggests, carving. If you replace "named by" with "named for", it makes more sense.
I can't help feeling that your author, quite apart from being a pretentious pseudo-intellectual fraud, is a non-native.
I suspect that the author is trying to say that the word "writing" (or, more accurately "write") is derived by onomatopoeia from the noise allegedly made by people from the effort of, as Harry suggests, carving. If you replace "named by" with "named for", it makes more sense.
I can't help feeling that your author, quite apart from being a pretentious pseudo-intellectual fraud, is a non-native.
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juvera
: German?
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Ken Cox
: Now, now, Richard, you're supposed to answer the question, not comment on the content. That said, I agree with your comments (particularly that the concept 'writing' is what is meant, and 'designated by' would probably be better wording (or translation?).
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Hmmm. I did answer the question. The answer is that the sentence is rubbish: i.e. it doesn't mean anything. I was not suggesting it was false. How could it be false if it doesn't make sense?
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RHELLER
: typical university fare - if you missed out I guess you are one of the lucky ones
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It's still rubbish.
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Refugio
: Your answer is valid because it states a fact: the author does not say what he means. The apparent meaning is that spelling is derived from ... etc., but what he actually says does not make sense.
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Thanks Ruth.
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transliteration?
could it be transliterate - which is the term we (English speakers) use to write out the words/syllables which are pronounced audibly but are written in languages we do not know how to read, such as Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, just to mention a few.
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