请帮忙审核一下这句话的翻译

wherestip wrote:

4. Keep motivation strong and pure, for that supplies a sense of urgency and responsibility. Most of us don't know what we could actual do if we were to be fully activated, with all our powers called forth simultaneously. "The patient dedication of the will counts far more than native ability. Capacity flows more often from desire than desire from capacity." One man with a personal burden will accomplish more than ten with mere interest. The world has had very little opportunity to see what God could do with men who wholly followed Him. If communism can motivate such dedication and sacrifice for the goals of Marxism, should not Christians apprehend that for which they've been apprehended by the Lord of Life Himself?

J.H. Wang wrote:

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从这里可以看出，基督徒的目的与 Lord 的目的是一致的。所以，才会出现 ......that for which......这样的句式。这跟前面的马克思主义者的目的与马克思主义的目的一致是类似的。

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wherestip wrote:

J.H.,

Indeed. I enjoyed our discussion. IMO, it doesn't matter that it took some trial and error to figure it out; we were all in the ballpark.

Like I said, it wasn't that clear what exactly "that" referred to. Without some background knowledge of the Bible, it's hard to pinpoint until you realize that the author was basically partially quoting/paraphrasing one of the verses from the Scriptures.


[Edited at 2013-11-26 15:27 GMT]

J.H. Wang wrote:



否则的话，还是捉摸不定，一头雾水。

Seaguest wrote:



我也非常享受这种讨论。总能得到很多的启发。特别是让我意识到熟悉英语圣经的必要性。这是除了翻译之外的又一收获。

我当初想把自己的译句拿上来请教，除了对自己的翻译不甚满意外，还有就是对那个that for which的理解没有把握。联系上下文，我把that解释为目标，但始终感觉这种解释很空泛和勉强，当时没有注意到dedication and sacrifice。是你和wherestip帮助我有了新的发现。现在我倒觉得，虽然作者引用了圣典的措辞来表达自己的观念，但把that与dedication and sacrifice联系起来更能说得通。

Philippians 3:12-14
New International Version (NIV)

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

wherestip wrote:



Seaguest,

From the beginning I had a hunch that "that" was referring to the goals(of God), in parallel to the goals of Marxism. In fact that's what made this an interesting quest for me. Not that I am knowledgeable in the subject of Christianity, but from years of living in a mostly Christian country, it's hard not to pick up on some of the theories and concepts of it.

I think it's entirely up to you how you render it into Chinese. My opinion is you can't go too wrong no matter how you say it in Chinese, as long as it is along the lines of what the author wanted to express.

But if I were you, I wouldn't run the risk of someone coming behind me and saying that I didn't know the verse of Philippians 3:12.

wherestip wrote:



BTW, these verses reminded me of the final paragraph in "The Great Gatsby" ...

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

wherestip wrote:

As I said before, I'm not too big on theology nor Bible studies. But here I found this verse Philippians 3:12 that basically has the same sentence structure ...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%203:12-14&version=NIV


Philippians 3:12-14
New International Version (NIV)

 12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

1. APPREHENDED

In Philippians 3.12 Paul writes, “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.”

Have you been “apprehended of Christ Jesus”?

In other translations, the Greek word translated “apprehend” in the KJV is translated, for example, “lay hold of” (NKJV), “make me his own” (ESV and RSV), and “took hold of” (NIV). Personally, I like “apprehend.” “Apprehend” means, one, to arrest or capture, and, two, to understand or perceive. The emotional impact of “apprehend” as captured in the KJV is extraordinarily fitting for Philippians 3.12. So, have you been captured by Christ?
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2. APPREHENDING

My second point is APPRENDING. Let me review with you. Remember “apprehend” has two meanings: first, it means to arrest or capture, and, SECOND, it means to understand or perceive.

Indeed, Paul was apprehended by God’s love in Christ Jesus in the sense of being arrested or captured by it. If Paul had been apprehended for execution, he would have understood the divine action. Christ’s apprehending Paul out of His love mystified him. He desired to understand it in order to reflect it.

Seaguest wrote:

现在我倒觉得，虽然作者引用了圣典的措辞来表达自己的观念，但把that与dedication and sacrifice联系起来更能说得通。

QHE wrote:


I expanded Steve's search and found this edifying sermon by Rev. Wilson on Philippians 3.12:

http://www.arptalk.org/2013/09/17/apprehended-and-apprehending-philippians-312/





Steve, have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

J.H. Wang wrote:

... communism 才是关键，它是一种理想、目标，也可以说是共产主义者之所以能够做出 dedication and sacrifice 的动因。

QHE wrote:





Steve, have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

J.H. Wang wrote:



这样一来，翻译起来就更困难了。