Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Apr 10, 2009 08:38
15 yrs ago
Romanian term
bocitoare
Romanian to English
Art/Literary
Folklore
La capul mortului stateau trei bocitoare.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +6 | wailer | Renata Ana Ursu |
3 +5 | mourner | Florina-Livia Angheluta (X) |
4 | professional keener | Hezy Mor |
4 | Howler | ELLA IACOB |
3 | weeper | Ştefania Iordan |
References
Professional mourners / Wailers | Anca Nitu |
Change log
Apr 10, 2009 09:44: Renata Ana Ursu Created KOG entry
Apr 10, 2009 10:27: Maria Diaconu changed "Field" from "Science" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (specific)" from "Law (general)" to "Folklore"
Proposed translations
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wailer
o alta varianta
a mourner who utters long loud high-pitched cries
sinonime: griever, lamenter, mourner, sorrower - a person who is feeling grief
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wailer
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Note added at 10 mins (2009-04-10 08:49:11 GMT)
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cred că wailer exprimă mai bine ideea de bocitoare, cea care jeluieşte cu strigăte, cu vaiete...
conf aceluiaşi dicţionar de mai sus mourner e pur şi simplu a person who is feeling grief.
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Note added at 23 mins (2009-04-10 09:02:22 GMT)
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A debut novel about a young girl at the center of the secret world of professional mourners, where women are trained extensively and paid handsomely to attend the funerals of strangers.
Mem is a ***wailer***, a professional mourner hired to cry at funerals.
http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=trade paper:sale:97815969...
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Kethuboth 4.4 is the most often cited Mishnah by commentators in reference to Matt 9.23: “Rabbi Judah says, ‘Even the poorest [man] in Israel must not furnish less than two flutes [i.e., flute players] and one woman ***wailer*** [at the funeral of his wife].”
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1042
a mourner who utters long loud high-pitched cries
sinonime: griever, lamenter, mourner, sorrower - a person who is feeling grief
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wailer
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Note added at 10 mins (2009-04-10 08:49:11 GMT)
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cred că wailer exprimă mai bine ideea de bocitoare, cea care jeluieşte cu strigăte, cu vaiete...
conf aceluiaşi dicţionar de mai sus mourner e pur şi simplu a person who is feeling grief.
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Note added at 23 mins (2009-04-10 09:02:22 GMT)
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A debut novel about a young girl at the center of the secret world of professional mourners, where women are trained extensively and paid handsomely to attend the funerals of strangers.
Mem is a ***wailer***, a professional mourner hired to cry at funerals.
http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=trade paper:sale:97815969...
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Note added at 29 mins (2009-04-10 09:07:57 GMT)
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Kethuboth 4.4 is the most often cited Mishnah by commentators in reference to Matt 9.23: “Rabbi Judah says, ‘Even the poorest [man] in Israel must not furnish less than two flutes [i.e., flute players] and one woman ***wailer*** [at the funeral of his wife].”
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1042
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Elvira Tatucu
4 mins
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agree |
Gabi
11 mins
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agree |
Word_Wise
24 mins
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agree |
ELLA IACOB
33 mins
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agree |
Tradeuro Language Services
22 hrs
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agree |
Anca Nitu
1 day 13 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Multumesc!"
+5
5 mins
mourner
Parerea mea....
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Note added at 7 minute (2009-04-10 08:46:07 GMT)
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http://www.dictionarromanenglez.ro/dictionar/bocitoare
am gasit aici si WAILER sau LAMENTER....
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http://www.dictionarromanenglez.ro/dictionar/bocitoare
am gasit aici si WAILER sau LAMENTER....
Peer comment(s):
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Elena-Simona Craciun
0 min
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Multumesc, Elena-Simona!
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agree |
Elvira Tatucu
: Da, Florina, aşa e. Şi ai lucrat aproape simultan cu Sasori
4 mins
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pai oricum si raspunsul lui mi se pare mai mult decat ok. Multumesc mult!
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agree |
anamaria bulgariu
7 mins
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Multumesc, Anamaria!
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agree |
ELLA IACOB
34 mins
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Multumesc, Ella!
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agree |
Anca Nitu
: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1521963
1 day 12 hrs
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Multumesc, Anca!
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15 mins
professional keener
Asa as zice eu. Sunt aparitii pe Google
16 mins
weeper
hired mourner
http://www.yourdictionary.com/weeper
weeper (wē′pər)
noun
a person who weeps, esp. habitually
a hired mourner , as, formerly, at a funeral
O alta varianta.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/weeper
weeper (wē′pər)
noun
a person who weeps, esp. habitually
a hired mourner , as, formerly, at a funeral
O alta varianta.
45 mins
Howler
Si toate denumirile de mai sus sunt precise.
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Note added at 55 mins (2009-04-10 09:33:59 GMT)
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Howlers - la plural
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Note added at 55 mins (2009-04-10 09:33:59 GMT)
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Howlers - la plural
Reference comments
1 day 13 hrs
Reference:
Professional mourners / Wailers
Professional mourners were widely used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East, and the practice held strong in many countries through the Middle Ages and, in some countries, even into the present day. Many saw professional mourners as a crucial part of the ceremony of loss. Like hired event planners, mourners applied their expertise to a practice that might otherwise fall into chaos. Of course, the bereaved were capable of grieving by themselves, but the professional mourner helped them to marshal and coordinate their expressions of grief. Among Spanish Jews in the 14th century, the hired mourner made her position as coordinator of grief more than metaphorical, by accompanying her wailing with a rhythm-setting tambourine.
BOCÍ, bocesc, vb. IV. Intranz. şi refl. A plânge tare (cu vaiete şi strigăte). ♦ Tranz. A recita bocete la înmormântarea cuiva. – Din boace (înv. şi reg. „voce” < lat
http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=bocit
ritualul bocitului consta in recitarea de bocete nu in racnete de durere
Alte referinte:
Bocitul "profesionist"
Ce înseamnă, însă, această tradiţie şi cum ar fi ea de explicat? "Sunt sate unde e o ruşine pentru familie ca mortul să nu fie bocit, ritualul fiind o îndatorire faţă de cel ce a plecat dintre vii şi care trebuie orientat pe calea cea bună prin versurile funebre. De aceea, dacă cei rămaşi în urma defunctului nu au voce frumoasă sau nu ştiu boci, aceştia roagă o bocitoare <<profesionistă>> să ajute familia, preluând în numele lor această îndatorire sătească", afirmă profesorul Ioan Cuceu, de la Arhiva de Folclor a Academiei Române.
http://old.clujeanul.ro/general/afisare_articol.php?id_obiec...
http://www.click.ro/Special/bocitoare-de-meserie
Bocetul consta ( depinde de regiune) intr-un cantec de jale sau o descriere mai mult sau mai putin versificata a calitatilor definctului (ei)
http://sacred-texts.com/etc/fcod/fcod07.htm
Wailer
Women are more given to the display of emotional grief than is common amongst men, and they have for this reason been much in demand as "wailers"; in this capacity their professional shrieks have echoed down the ages. A generation ago they were frequently to be heard on the Continent, in Wales and Ireland. They too had followed the Greek and Roman to his tomb, ****crying and beating their breasts (for suitable remuneration)****, lest the attitude of studied self -repression, considered a correct deportment for mourners of rank, might be misinterpreted by the dead, who were believed to be ever ready to avenge the slightest sign of indifference on the part of those they left behind them
Wailers par sa fie o subclasa de "bocitoare" insarcinate numai cu "jeluire" mortului nu si cu "laudatul" dar diferenta cred ca e minima si e posibil ca amandoua notiunile sa se confunde
BOCÍ, bocesc, vb. IV. Intranz. şi refl. A plânge tare (cu vaiete şi strigăte). ♦ Tranz. A recita bocete la înmormântarea cuiva. – Din boace (înv. şi reg. „voce” < lat
http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=bocit
ritualul bocitului consta in recitarea de bocete nu in racnete de durere
Alte referinte:
Bocitul "profesionist"
Ce înseamnă, însă, această tradiţie şi cum ar fi ea de explicat? "Sunt sate unde e o ruşine pentru familie ca mortul să nu fie bocit, ritualul fiind o îndatorire faţă de cel ce a plecat dintre vii şi care trebuie orientat pe calea cea bună prin versurile funebre. De aceea, dacă cei rămaşi în urma defunctului nu au voce frumoasă sau nu ştiu boci, aceştia roagă o bocitoare <<profesionistă>> să ajute familia, preluând în numele lor această îndatorire sătească", afirmă profesorul Ioan Cuceu, de la Arhiva de Folclor a Academiei Române.
http://old.clujeanul.ro/general/afisare_articol.php?id_obiec...
http://www.click.ro/Special/bocitoare-de-meserie
Bocetul consta ( depinde de regiune) intr-un cantec de jale sau o descriere mai mult sau mai putin versificata a calitatilor definctului (ei)
http://sacred-texts.com/etc/fcod/fcod07.htm
Wailer
Women are more given to the display of emotional grief than is common amongst men, and they have for this reason been much in demand as "wailers"; in this capacity their professional shrieks have echoed down the ages. A generation ago they were frequently to be heard on the Continent, in Wales and Ireland. They too had followed the Greek and Roman to his tomb, ****crying and beating their breasts (for suitable remuneration)****, lest the attitude of studied self -repression, considered a correct deportment for mourners of rank, might be misinterpreted by the dead, who were believed to be ever ready to avenge the slightest sign of indifference on the part of those they left behind them
Wailers par sa fie o subclasa de "bocitoare" insarcinate numai cu "jeluire" mortului nu si cu "laudatul" dar diferenta cred ca e minima si e posibil ca amandoua notiunile sa se confunde
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