Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Grundferche
English translation:
lake trout / brown trout
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Edith Kelly
Mar 5, 2016 16:37
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Grundferche
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This is something connected to a trout in a painting. It comes from a description of a particular painting:
Laut Bildinschrift lebte diese Forelle (Grundferche) 12 Jahre lang in xxxxx und wurde schließlich im Jahre 1652 mit einem Gewicht von 26 Pfund (15 kg) in die hochfürstliche Hofhaltung geliefert, um dort „gespeist“ zu werden.
The text is Austrian and an Austrian friend, born in the area this comes from, has no idea. Google throws up nothing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Laut Bildinschrift lebte diese Forelle (Grundferche) 12 Jahre lang in xxxxx und wurde schließlich im Jahre 1652 mit einem Gewicht von 26 Pfund (15 kg) in die hochfürstliche Hofhaltung geliefert, um dort „gespeist“ zu werden.
The text is Austrian and an Austrian friend, born in the area this comes from, has no idea. Google throws up nothing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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lake trout
Note from asker:
| Thank you. That make sense. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
philgoddard
: Well done! This is probably it. It gets almost no hits, and those I did find were 19th century.
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Comment: "This seems to cover it. Thanks again."
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Reference:
Salmo schiefermuelleri is a designation for populations of trout in some subalpine lakes of Austria, whose taxonomical status is however unclear and which are suspected to be extinct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmo_schiefermuelleri
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?pageseq=1&itemI... LACUSTRIS, Linn.
The same as the S. illanca and Schiefermulleri of Bloch. It is found in the lakes of Lower Austria, and in the Rhine above Constance.
Brown trout:
Salmo lacustris was used for lake-dwelling forms.[5]
S. t. lacustris reaches an average length of 40–80 cm (16–31 in) with a maximum length of 140 cm (55 in) and about 60 pounds (27 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_trout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmo_schiefermuelleri
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?pageseq=1&itemI... LACUSTRIS, Linn.
The same as the S. illanca and Schiefermulleri of Bloch. It is found in the lakes of Lower Austria, and in the Rhine above Constance.
Brown trout:
Salmo lacustris was used for lake-dwelling forms.[5]
S. t. lacustris reaches an average length of 40–80 cm (16–31 in) with a maximum length of 140 cm (55 in) and about 60 pounds (27 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_trout
Note from asker:
| Thanks. I am learning a bit about fish at the moment! |
Discussion
Grund oder Boden als Beisazwörter bei mehreren Gattungen von Fischen, z.B. Grundkarpfen, Grundferchen, Grundrenken u.s.w. Bodenkarpfen u.s.f. bedeutet allemal weiter nichts, als große Fische ihrer Art, die nicht leicht mehr an die Oberfläche des Wassers kommen, um daselbst zu spielen sondern sich meistens im Grunde aufhalten.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BqgEAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA67...
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so sagt man auch Grundferchen, Grundrenken
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9lZCAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA117&lp...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...
The fact that it gets no Google hits suggests it may be a mistake, or perhaps something got lost in translation if the painting is from a non-German-speaking country. If you tell us the name of the picture and the artist, that may provide a clue.