Glossary entry

Deutsch term or phrase:

VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT

Englisch translation:

processivity, processness

Added to glossary by anders1956
Apr 20, 2019 08:33
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Deutsch term

VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT

Deutsch > Englisch Kunst/Literatur Philosophie
Problem word -- Vorgangshaftigkeit:

I am translating (German into English) a critique of Cultural Marxism, and the author uses the coinage "VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT", which I have rendered, on a preliminary basis, as "PROCESSABILITY".

Here is the SOLE paragraph where the term (which has a total of TEN Google hits!) appears:

Wahrend die Wirklichkeit in der christlichen Seinslehre, die ja das Weltbild durch die Jahrhunderte bestimmt hatte, als Teilhabe an der absoluten Seinsfülle Gottes verstanden wurde (bzw. wird), kam es aufgrund der naturwissenschaftlichen Denkhaltung, die seit der Renaissance immer machtiger wurde, zu einer Reduktion des Seinsverstandnisses hin auf die bloße VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT, gerade als ware alle Wirklichkeit nichts anderes, als die Summe von in sich bedeutungslosen Ablaufen und Geschehnissen in Raum und Zeit. Über den Nominalismus und das darauf folgende Zeitalter der Aufklarung und der Naturwissenschaften hat sich so eine dem Dialektischen Materialismus nicht unähnliche Denkform entwickelt, die nur mehr das als Wirklichkeit anzunehmen bereit war, was "gemessen, gewogen und gezahlt" (Descartes) werden kann. So ist ein rein innerweltlich verstandenes Sein (die bloße Gegenstandlichkeit) und ein vom Übernatürlichen -bernatiirlichen abgetrenntes Werden (die reine VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT) zum allgemeinen Seinsprinzip erhoben worden. Diese Absolutsetzung der rein innerweltlichen Kräfte und Zustände hat nun in Verbindung mit dem immer starker werdenden Wissenschaftsglauben zu einer allgemeinen und zumeist unreflektierten Übernahme der Prinzipien der Dialektik geführt, welche der ideale Nahrboden für eine weitere Metamorphose des Marxismus sein sollte: für den Neo-Marxismus der Frankfurter Schule.

Any suggestions??

Thank you!

RE Anderson
Chicago, IL, USA
Change log

Apr 20, 2019 19:44: Steffen Walter changed "Field (write-in)" from "German philosophical jargon -- \\\"VORGANGSHAFTIGKEIT\\\"" to "(none)"

Discussion

Herbmione Granger Apr 25, 2019:
"you might be more gracious" Yes, I've also been told that I should smile more :)

Another option: The world is reduced to material objects that are motivated by natural processes.

"Objectivity" is inappropriate here. Gegenstand (here) = physical/material object.

Also relevant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominalism
https://www.iep.utm.edu/descmind/
Herbmione Granger Apr 21, 2019:
You only believe what you can see or measure is the meaning based on the paragraph. Perhaps get ideas from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_(philosophy)

Based on the tone, the author celebrates Easter or other holy day. Have a good one!
Björn Vrooman Apr 21, 2019:
Note To avoid any confusion:
I've deleted all my d-box entries because, after revisiting the issue, I feel uneasy about contributing to this topic, considering the way it has been presented.

Still, as I had said: Happy Easter!
Helen Shiner Apr 20, 2019:
It’s a *critique* of Cultural Marxism, Björn. I’m sure the Asker knows full well what it is, as I do. However, although I know you like to engage in a great deal of discussion, I shan’t be doing so this weekend, since it is Easter and I have chocolate to eat and people to see. A holiday from translation!
Helen Shiner Apr 20, 2019:
@anders1956 Critical theory and processual social ontology: https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/jso.2016.2.issue-1/j... I think this is what you need.
Helen Shiner Apr 20, 2019:
@anders1956 I haven’t got time to look up references for you, but it might be worth checking out ‘processuality’ in Marxist studies.

Proposed translations

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processivity, processness

I am not an expert in philosophy, therefore the following considerations are merely 'linguistic' and given with a low CL.

IMO, X-haftigkeit means having the nature of (an) X. Some of the corresponding English endings would be -ness or -ivity (whereas "X-ability" would indicate the possibility to be 'X-ed', in your case: to be processed, wouldn't it?).

If you have decided on a translation for "Gegenständlichkeit", you might consider to choose a similar construct for "Vorgangshaftigkeit", as they are parallels in this phrase (e.g. "objectivity–processivity").

NB: I am aware that the term processivity has recently been created and is occupied for the field of biochemistry. However – about as rarely as you found "Vorgangshaftigkeit" – "processivity" may also be found in philosophical contexts.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Yes, processivity works very well -- particularly given the "objectivity" close by in the text! Thank you!! REA / Chicago, IL, USA"
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processuality

See my discussion box comments: https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/jso.2016.2.issue-1/j...

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The term is used in section 4 of that article.

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See also: https://books.google.com/books/about/Processual_Sociology.ht...
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway
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Thanks, writeaway
agree Anne Schulz : Sounds better than processivity :-)
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Thanks, Anne :-)
agree Adrian MM.
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Thanks, Adrian MM.
agree Ventnai
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Thank you, ventnai
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mechanistic-stition

It would be easier to use the adjective in both cases. Ex: a purely mechanistic view of the world and society.

https://www.dict.cc/?s=mechanism
mechanism [fig.] -> Vorgang

https://www.helles-koepfchen.de/artikel/3360.html
Vor allem "Atheisten" (also Menschen, die an eine Welt ohne Gott glauben) wie die Franzosen La Mettrie und Diderot vertraten ein materialistisches Weltbild. Sie gingen auch davon aus, dass alle Vorgänge in der Welt durch Naturgesetze vorbestimmt sind - diesen Standpunkt nennt man auch "mechanistisch".

https://www.vandenhoeck-ruprecht-verlage.com/themen-entdecke...
Die Lebewesen seien ohne Absicht ausschließlich durch rein mechanistisch-materialistische Prozesse entstanden.

http://www.psychologie.uni-oldenburg.de/fachschaft/scripte/a...
Mit einfachen und rein mechanistisch verstandenen Systemen wird nicht nur Geld verschwendet, es können sogar Demotivationseffekte ausgelöst werden.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mechanistic
1.1 Determined by physical processes alone.
‘he insisted that animals were entirely mechanistic’

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/mechanistic.htm...
A viewpoint that states that the behavior of complex systems, such as individuals, societies, and economies, are determined strictly by the interactions of the parts or factors of which they are composed. Mechanistic theories are in opposition to philosophies such as vitalism, which claim that the behavior of a system is influenced by a separate or external quality, such as the "spirit" of a nation or the "mood" of an economy.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ludwig-Feuerbach
Continuing this view in his most important work, Das Wesen des Christentums (1841; The Essence of Christianity), Feuerbach posited the notion that man is to himself his own object of thought and that religion is nothing more than a consciousness of the infinite. The result of this view is the notion that God is merely the outward projection of man’s inward nature. In the first part of his book, which strongly influenced Marx, Feuerbach analyzed the “true or anthropological essence of religion.”

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/from-mechanical-materi...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Adrian MM. : a somewhat errant tongue-twister....//Yes, it can be, as Helen S. has done and to whom you might be more gracious.
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I was demonstrating that it can't be translated 1:1. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand. //This is clearly a Philosophy question, and I have a Philosophy degree...
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Reference comments

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Reference:

finding only

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0483.1970.tb00780.x/pdf
in the 17th and 18th centuries, where it is mainly 'vorgangshaft-erzahlend' (Burger: 'So sprang er auf und rennte,/ Als ob der Kopf ihm brennte') or 'gedanklich'.

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gradual process/gradual process of events??

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What is Marxism?: An Introduction to Marxist Theory
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1900007576
Rob Sewell, ‎Alan Woods - 2015
However, evolution is generally understood as a slow and gradual process without interruptions or violent upheavals. In politics, this kind of argument is ...

bit of a guess to be honest
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Adrian MM. : Impressed that you are now diversifying into German, I like the Burger part of your ref. and wish it were 'beefed up' - to be washed down with good-old Portsmouth-brewed Brickwoods Beer I used to sample half a century ago, but sadly is no more.
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