Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Deutsch term or phrase:
einer weiteren fremden Hand
Englisch translation:
a further unknown hand
Added to glossary by
Chris Rowson (X)
Jan 20, 2007 09:50
17 yrs ago
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Deutsch term
Chris Rowson (X)
fremd
Deutsch > Englisch
Kunst/Literatur
Musik
"23 zwölfzeilige Blätter im Hochformat mit 43 von einem unbekannten Kopisten, Brahms, Rieter-Biedermann und einer weiteren fremden Hand beschriebenen Seiten (Bll. 1r, 13r Titelseiten; Bl. 12v leer)."
My instinct is to write "a further unknown hand", but that´s not what it says, and I can´t think of an appropriate formulation which is correct.
My instinct is to write "a further unknown hand", but that´s not what it says, and I can´t think of an appropriate formulation which is correct.
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1 Stunde
Jonathan MacKerron
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a further, unknown hand
I like your take best.
"unknown hand" gets many googles that use it in the place of "unknown handwriting" and in association with sheet music
"unknown hand" gets many googles that use it in the place of "unknown handwriting" and in association with sheet music
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Anton Baer
: "a further unknown hand" (no comma) sounds natural to me too, and better than 'person'
21 Stunden
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Colin Newberry
: Like the sound (without comma) too.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks very much everyone for your considerations of this question. In the end it did all lead me back to my initial instinct, but I needed your contributions to get me there. (Like Colin, I prefer it without the comma.)"
+12
21 Min.
Henry Schroeder
Vereinigte Staaten
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36
another unknown person
Isn't that what's implied?
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Note added at 23 mins (2007-01-20 10:14:04 GMT)
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...an unknown copyist, Brahms, Rieter-Biedermann and another unidentified person... (to avoid the repetition of "unknown")... Or the other way round "unidentified copyist" and "unknown person"
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Note added at 23 mins (2007-01-20 10:14:04 GMT)
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...an unknown copyist, Brahms, Rieter-Biedermann and another unidentified person... (to avoid the repetition of "unknown")... Or the other way round "unidentified copyist" and "unknown person"
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Nicole Schnell
: That's exactly what it means in German.
7 Min.
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writeaway
: exactly! your explanation is spot on imho.
15 Min.
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Jeanette Phillips
31 Min.
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Ulrike Kraemer
: that was my first thought, too
37 Min.
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Steffen Walter
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Frosty
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Trans-Marie
2 Stunden
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
3 Stunden
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monbuckland
: I'd go with "unidentified"
5 Stunden
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Laurens Landkroon
6 Stunden
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Paul Cohen
8 Stunden
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Karin Maack
: unidentified
2 Tage 1 Stunde
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anonymous
'anonymous writer', perhaps?
+1
6 Min.
Stephen Sadie
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18
further unfamiliar handwriting
or unknown handwriting...could work
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Note added at 6 mins (2007-01-20 09:57:11 GMT)
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maybe even transcription instead of handwriting, chris
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-20 11:03:05 GMT)
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27 sides are from virtually unknown transcription discs only three are 1940 Track ... W.A. Mozart Mozart Die Entführung aus dem Serail / Steiner, et al CD ...
www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7004173/a/Homage to ... - 14k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-20 11:29:05 GMT)
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or even unidentified
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Note added at 6 mins (2007-01-20 09:57:11 GMT)
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maybe even transcription instead of handwriting, chris
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-20 11:03:05 GMT)
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27 sides are from virtually unknown transcription discs only three are 1940 Track ... W.A. Mozart Mozart Die Entführung aus dem Serail / Steiner, et al CD ...
www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7004173/a/Homage to ... - 14k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-20 11:29:05 GMT)
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or even unidentified
8 Stunden
Joseph Tein
Vereinigte Staaten
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4
'And one more unknown person"
... just one more slightly different possibility ... the previous ones are all excellent.
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