Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Gefallenenverein
English translation:
Association for the Memorial of Fallen Soldiers
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Kim Metzger
Apr 9, 2009 20:11
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Gefallenenverein
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Hi everybody,
this is from a letter from 1877. The writer (from Liege) just become a soldier in the Prussian infantry. He writes to his brother about this and tells him:
"Wenn du in Gefallenen Verein gehen wills so gehe Einmal zum Präses und frage ob du in meiner Stelle eintreten könntest". The rest of the letter is not connected to this sentence.
I couldn't find anything about "Gefallenenverein". Could I translate it as "veterans club"? Any suggestions are welcome.
TIA
Sabine
this is from a letter from 1877. The writer (from Liege) just become a soldier in the Prussian infantry. He writes to his brother about this and tells him:
"Wenn du in Gefallenen Verein gehen wills so gehe Einmal zum Präses und frage ob du in meiner Stelle eintreten könntest". The rest of the letter is not connected to this sentence.
I couldn't find anything about "Gefallenenverein". Could I translate it as "veterans club"? Any suggestions are welcome.
TIA
Sabine
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Apr 11, 2009 17:49: Kim Metzger Created KOG entry
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Association for the Memorial of Fallen Soldiers
Another possibility, borrowed from the Israeli association.
the President of the Association for the Memorial of Fallen Soldiers of the C4I Corps, Maj. Gen. (res.) Shlomo Inbar; officers and soldiers of the corps, and bereaved families. “Israel has powerful technology,” said Maj. Gen. Shafran. “Regardless, we always remember that the most important component in the field and in research and development are the soldiers.”
http://dover.idf.il/NR/exeres/B536D595-06D8-465A-AA75-A2B85E...
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Or fallen soldiers society.
Amel Naser Al Din, the father and grandfather of the Lutfis, is a leader of the Druze community, a former Likud Knesset member, and the chair of the Druze fallen soldiers society. He lost two of his sons in wars, and now his grandson. Just a day before his recent loss, he wrote a letter of support and encouragement to the minister of defense.
http://www.ujcnj.org/page.aspx?id=191147
the President of the Association for the Memorial of Fallen Soldiers of the C4I Corps, Maj. Gen. (res.) Shlomo Inbar; officers and soldiers of the corps, and bereaved families. “Israel has powerful technology,” said Maj. Gen. Shafran. “Regardless, we always remember that the most important component in the field and in research and development are the soldiers.”
http://dover.idf.il/NR/exeres/B536D595-06D8-465A-AA75-A2B85E...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-04-10 00:16:07 GMT)
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Or fallen soldiers society.
Amel Naser Al Din, the father and grandfather of the Lutfis, is a leader of the Druze community, a former Likud Knesset member, and the chair of the Druze fallen soldiers society. He lost two of his sons in wars, and now his grandson. Just a day before his recent loss, he wrote a letter of support and encouragement to the minister of defense.
http://www.ujcnj.org/page.aspx?id=191147
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Comment: "I used "Association for the Memorial of Fallen Soldiers". Thanks"
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Dead Soldier Association
Sabine,
I don't think you can use "Veteran's Club." More context would be useful. "Gefallenen," in a military context, refers to soldiers killed in action. Veterans are still living. I'm at a loss for a perfect translation. Gefallenendenkmal is War Memorial according to Pons. Perhaps Dead Soldier Association? Does this make any sense in context?
I don't think you can use "Veteran's Club." More context would be useful. "Gefallenen," in a military context, refers to soldiers killed in action. Veterans are still living. I'm at a loss for a perfect translation. Gefallenendenkmal is War Memorial according to Pons. Perhaps Dead Soldier Association? Does this make any sense in context?
Note from asker:
| That was my problem, that "Gefallene" are dead and veterans not. But I couldn't find any club/association for "dead soldiers" (or their family members) during that time. Do you know of any? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
RegineMac
: I think the soldier is expressing his cynicism. "Dead Soldier Association" works. Also "Dead Soldier Society" (like Dead Poet Society).
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| agree |
Susanne Rindlisbacher
: Wie wärs mit "fallen" statt "dead"?
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| agree |
Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
14 hrs
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Memorial Association
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memorial society for soldiers killed in action
Just as you "couldn't find anything about 'Gefallenenverein'", you won't find anything about this either, but it conveys the picture, perhaps ?
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Fallen Soldiers Society
My preference.
66 days
Dead Soldiers' Club
Surely the writer is using black humour? In which case, all the solemn, respectful, etc. translations are rather missing the point. This is "gallows humour", and the "Dead Soldiers' Club" is to be thought of rather as a fictious example of those Vereine of which Germans are so fond.
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