Apr 27, 2015 17:12
9 yrs ago
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French term
les bâtiments des communs
French to English
Social Sciences
Architecture
17th Century French architecture
"Les Vieux Melays (Neuvy)
Visite commentée des extérieurs. Les Vieux Melays représentent un exemple type de manoir bourbonnais comprenant une maison d’habitation basse avec deux tours carrées, précédée d’une vaste cour, encadrée par ***les bâtiments des communs***, la chapelle et le pigeonnier, et fermés par un remarquable portail sculpté. Ensemble construit en 1660-1670 en un seul tenant."
http://lesvieuxmelays.com/
Visite commentée des extérieurs. Les Vieux Melays représentent un exemple type de manoir bourbonnais comprenant une maison d’habitation basse avec deux tours carrées, précédée d’une vaste cour, encadrée par ***les bâtiments des communs***, la chapelle et le pigeonnier, et fermés par un remarquable portail sculpté. Ensemble construit en 1660-1670 en un seul tenant."
http://lesvieuxmelays.com/
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +4 | service quarters | Nikki Scott-Despaigne |
4 +3 | outbuildings | Ghyslaine LE NAGARD |
References
les communs | Daryo |
Proposed translations
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30 mins
Selected
service quarters
Reference: GDT - service quarters
Reference information:
Ghyslaine has posted an interesting source which indicates that such buildings can house stables and a chapel. I think "outbuildings" is not specific enough as to the purpose of the buildings and that "service quarters", as suggested by the GDT, may be more appropriate. Again, I'm not certain that "service quarters" allows for the inclusion of a chapel. I suspect it might though. I need to do more V.O. research.
http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=849...
communs
Domaine
bâtiment > habitation
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Définition
Ensemble des logements de service comme les écuries, les cuisines, les habitations des domestiques. Ex. : les communs d'un château.
Terme
communs n. m. pl.
Anglais
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Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Notes
Ex.: service quarters of a castle.
Terme
service quarters
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/communs/17541
Dans un château, une grande maison, ensemble des logements du service (cuisine, écuries, habitations des domestiques, etc.).
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Note added at 34 mins (2015-04-27 17:47:15 GMT)
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I think this illustrates what I am trying to explain, that the services quarters are in the outbuildings, as here:
http://www.chateaudebourgon.com/service-quarters/
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Note added at 35 mins (2015-04-27 17:48:17 GMT)
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I found soucres referring to "service quarters" in Ancient Egypt so am not sure that there is a problem of anachronicity.
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Note added at 36 mins (2015-04-27 17:49:10 GMT)
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http://www.patrice-besse.co.uk/castles-for-sale-France/lille...
11th and 19th century with service quarters.
Reference information:
Ghyslaine has posted an interesting source which indicates that such buildings can house stables and a chapel. I think "outbuildings" is not specific enough as to the purpose of the buildings and that "service quarters", as suggested by the GDT, may be more appropriate. Again, I'm not certain that "service quarters" allows for the inclusion of a chapel. I suspect it might though. I need to do more V.O. research.
http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=849...
communs
Domaine
bâtiment > habitation
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Définition
Ensemble des logements de service comme les écuries, les cuisines, les habitations des domestiques. Ex. : les communs d'un château.
Terme
communs n. m. pl.
Anglais
Haut de la page
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Notes
Ex.: service quarters of a castle.
Terme
service quarters
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/communs/17541
Dans un château, une grande maison, ensemble des logements du service (cuisine, écuries, habitations des domestiques, etc.).
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Note added at 34 mins (2015-04-27 17:47:15 GMT)
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I think this illustrates what I am trying to explain, that the services quarters are in the outbuildings, as here:
http://www.chateaudebourgon.com/service-quarters/
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Note added at 35 mins (2015-04-27 17:48:17 GMT)
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I found soucres referring to "service quarters" in Ancient Egypt so am not sure that there is a problem of anachronicity.
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Note added at 36 mins (2015-04-27 17:49:10 GMT)
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http://www.patrice-besse.co.uk/castles-for-sale-France/lille...
11th and 19th century with service quarters.
Note from asker:
The word "service" did come to mind, but seemed a bit modern in this context. |
Fair enough -- thanks for all the research. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+3
13 mins
outbuildings
Peer comment(s):
agree |
philgoddard
6 mins
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neutral |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Interesting source and according to which these outbuilding can house anything from a chapel to stables and in which case, I am not sure that "outbuildings" would be sufficient.
9 mins
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agree |
Christopher Crockett
: "Outbuildings" works for me. "A large courtyard, surrounded by outbuildings (including a chapel and pigeon house), accessed through an elaborate portal."
1 hr
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agree |
Simon Charass
3 hrs
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Reference comments
13 hrs
Reference:
les communs
L'art des jardins: Traité général de la composition des ... - Page 837
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn... - Translate this page
Edouard André - 2014 - Preview - More editions
Les applications de l'architecture pittoresque trouvent naturellement leur place dams la construction des communs, nom générique donné aux bâtiments de service d'une propriété, écuries, remises, dépendances diverses, qui ne font pas partie de l'habitation de maître proprement dite.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wsWfBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA837&dq...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn... - Translate this page
Edouard André - 2014 - Preview - More editions
Les applications de l'architecture pittoresque trouvent naturellement leur place dams la construction des communs, nom générique donné aux bâtiments de service d'une propriété, écuries, remises, dépendances diverses, qui ne font pas partie de l'habitation de maître proprement dite.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wsWfBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA837&dq...
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